studied things where they're moving tapes around to make interesting sonic loops. when dennis was not, there i said well why don't we just take a bar out of night fever, i think it's a little slower, temple flow down a, bit and see if we can make a loop out of it. >> we found a borough that we thought had a really nice feel to it. we copied it over to a half inch for track and displaced the tape into a loop. i was pretty good at imagining what you might be able to do, but carroll was able to make it to happen. it was just necessity being the mother of invention. no one had taken a drumbeat before and created a to bar phrase. we were breaking new ground. this was the first time that we had ever taken a song and built it piece by piece from the ground up, and we started with