you had to be. we would all watch tv and i. the chemistry was very exciting. >> when you got up in the morning, you had breakfast, had a cup of tea. it was all very relaxing. >> it was strange, considering the amount of pressure that was really on the bg's at that time. >> we -- work of robert. we had to adopt a new sound, a new attitude. >> so, the next step was we brought areva martin into produce us. >> we often work with other people, but they were not producers. and this man was a literal producer. >> they had expressed how much they wanted to do american aren't the kind of stuff, and our reef was top of the heat for that. >> a wreath was so instrumental in producing black artists, and we wanted that. we actually did an album with