would give him a badge. people loved him. he had the best smile ever. >> i remember him teaching me the showbiz smile. he said, you don't -- you move your eyes, and you just go like this. and i'll be honest with you, i think maurice was the glue that held it all together. >> oh, i'm mr. fix-it. some discrepancy of barry and robin or if we want to make a decision about something, what does maurice think. most of the time, i'm mum. i'm the peacemaker. >> if they had not been brothers, they would not be together. no doubt in my mind. >> i met the gibbs when they were on a bit of a downturn in their career. robert made me unaccount bli the