>> which would get you the iowa home game. it doesn't necessarily get you the nomination. people don't chant "we're number 6." >> no one predicted, including in the barack obama race, who would win in august. we'll see some of the candidates they didn't know as well, some of the candidates that come from states that aren't as big. and that's where we're headed. i would rather not peak early. i would rather peak closer to the caucuses. >> even in the most current polling, you were living down there in asterisk land, among 24 candidates. you can't win the nomination if you don't win here, can you? >> well, i think i need to be among the top in iowa. >> the top what? >> top three or four. you remember being here with barack obama. maybe he was, i don't know, 10, 15%. >> yes. >> but it was this state that actually was where he gelled. >> really it boils down to iowa