devastate the economy. [erin] the dow today, closing down nearly 12 hundred points. 12 hundred points. that continues what has been market slaughter. and you can't win if the economy is in bad shape. it's going to disappear one day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear. and from our shores, we, you know, it could get worse before it gets better, could maybe go away. we'll see what happens. nobody really knows. we saw in the united states this arrogance, "this isn't gonna affect us the way it affects other countries. we're the number one country in the world when it comes to public health response. we're gonna get through this." [susan] with the early months of covid, we all learned a lot about the progress of science, in that science would think this was the way covid was transmitted, and we all had to wipe down our groceries. and then science would say, "no, that was irrelevant." and that was distressing to a lot of people, because there was so much uncertainty, and the message sometimes kept changing. but that's just the reality of dealing with a pandemic that we hadn't dealt with before.