ultimately what they need to hear. and what they deserve to hear even at times when you get booed for doing that. >> i have never yet heard a candidate go on tv and brag about being booed. although i don't want to dismiss it. he does get booed for telling the truth or at least for being critical of donald trump. but -- >> he's tried everything else, so he has to try this now. i think -- i watched joe biden's speech and i saw an old mantling ghost stories trying to scare the kids. biden doesn't want to talk about where the state of the country is. the trap is that both want to run the campaign in the rearview mirror. there was nothing in that speech that talked about the future, nothing that talked about how biden's vision for policy is different than trump's. i think it was a mistake. >> and let's squeeze in a quick break and then we'll talk about