trump. he's just talking about all of the other things about donald trump. people aren't going to want him to be president of the united states for next 40 years four years, because they saw what he did during the four years when he was president. and it's again, joe biden's the one who's created millions and millions of jobs. we lost jobs under trump. i think those are the kinds of contrast that joe biden ought to be talking about. and let's let the courts have their say about donald trump's crimes and i don't think that joe biden needs to be talking about that when he can remind people about what's at stake for their future when they go into the ballot box at in november before i let you go, a lot of talk eddie about whether it'll be a debate between the president and the former president. >> would you encourage joe biden to debate donald trump look, i think we're used to having debates. >> there's no doubt i will say that whenever i look at donald trump's debating style, he lives and lives and lives. and