have, with remarkable women who have been leaders in afghanistan over the last 20 years, who have advanced the rights of women and girls with our very, very strong support. i met with a number of them just a few months ago the last time i was in kabul this spring. i think it is incumbent on the international community including the united states to do everything we can using every tool we have, economic, diplomatic, political to work to sustain their rights. and at the same time as i said to make sure that if the taliban does not do that, if it is in charge, that it clearly faces the penalties for not upholding those rights. we will do everything we can to make sure that is the case. >> everything except use the u.s. military. president biden is intent on avoiding a saigon moment, a reference of course to the hasty and humiliating u.s. evacuation from vietnam. but with this troop surge to air lift americans out of afghanistan aren't we already in the midst of a saigon moment? >> no we're not.