would you like to see those witnesses testify during a senate trial? >> you know, you always like to hear more testimony. and maybe that will happen. you -- but i think the point that adam schiff has made is you don't want to allow the administration to play rope-a-dope with the courts and have this delayed and delayed. they have to make a decision and they're going to move forward. having additional witnesses is always helpful, and the president claims he wants everyone to testify. why doesn't he let them testify. >> i get that. that is true that house democrats have in the house. but it is a whole new world in the senate. do you think there is a way to compel people in to testify? >> there may be. when you look at past impeachment hearings, negotiations about who the witnesses are and how they are going to testify. all of that will happen. but the biggest obligation, dana, is to go forward. it is james madison, and i like to cite him because he was 5'4"