government and get the government involved in the personal decisions between a woman and her doctor? >> this is crazy to me. your arguments are so counter-factual. 20 forms of birth control. >> this is already -- >> 20 forms of birth control are mandated, and by the way, not by obamacare. they're mandated by some hhs bureaucrats, who go into the basement and write a regulation after obamacare passes and they decide, elected by no one, accountable to no one. they decide 20 forms of birth control have to be offered for free. >> let me try to get judge ginsburg in here. i want to just go a little 50,000 foot here and tell me whether the culture wars are back, and how do you frame -- let's just take the birth control issue and the supreme court decision. >> which was about religious liberty, not access to birth control. >> i think religious liberty and obamacare is how the republicans go at it.