important that the president late out, there was no abuses, this wasn't an illegal program. this wasn't a rogue agency. >> every time i hear someone say th that, i think that that's because the people that are there know they shouldn't do that. but an agency is only as trust worthy as its employees. and we all know from edward snowden, that can change in a moment. >> what they didn't understand, certainly snowden didn't understand is all the sources of oversight. even the independent review board found no abuses, legal program. the problem was the sensationalism of a rogue agency, or domestic spying, none of that was true. so i thought it was important that the president laid that case out. hey, this was not true. you may not like the fact that this happens, but this was a