zbh they were. in all fairness to reagan, reagan's ambassador to south africa consistently put pressure on the government to modify the position. and consistently condemned apartheid. but the commitment was to defeat the soviet empire. they underestimated the importance of islamic terrorism. they didn't want to think about itment they had one goal, a pretty big goal, defeat the soviet empire. they succeeded. and in the process they weren't willing to be diverted to secondary issues when you look at the worldwide scale of the cold war. i think there's no question that you had continued american effort to end apartheid through arguments about how -- >> they weren't pro apartheid, they were just against sanctions. >> they were against sanctionsmentsanctions. i met with the chief but laly and he was against sanctions. a group of us decided in the end a number of younger could be