if we don't win, we don't govern. if we don't govern, what we do is shout into the wind. and so i am going to do anything i need to do to win. >> so new jersey, right? i'm going to do anything i need to do to win. first of all, he's running. >> yeah. >> right? >> i agree. >> and second of all, is there anything wrong with that message? >> the question is you want to win. he wants to win as a republican. he's going to be what he has been as governor of new jersey, a successful lower tax, less spending. his battles have been against the teacher union bosses. he's been able to do what other politicians haven't, which is say i'm for education and the teacher union bosses are stopping us from being able to accomplish that. with throwing money at newark at schools and there's very little education happening. until we break the teacher union abuse and get real education, it's not going to work.