me throw you a crumb and see if that will work and hearing from clieburn, we'll see step after step after step which will be until he gets real balance which is what the white house wants. >> there are plenty of people in congress that have full information on this program and they said that and they've signed off on it, but as more and more are brought into some of the details here they'll understand there's a tradeoff between transparency. kevin did, in fact, allude to that saying the american people want to be safe. it seems to me the minute you bring up safety and terrorism especially after the week we've had with all of these embassies closed that there's really no way that any of these programs are going to substantially be changed because they're too far reaching. >> well, i think, look, that's one of the interesting things about this issue is that there hasn't been this reflex with relationship on capitol hell and the support doesn't fall along