>> ross is a conservative catholic and an op ed columnist for the "new york times." >> once the burst of excitement passes the church has basically removed one reason why people actually believe in it and go to church. >> orthodoxy as meaning that the rules are absolute and without them catholics lose identity, purpose. ross believes the pope could have a very successful pontifficate. >> at the same time he has opened up a civil war within the church that had gone underground a bit in the last two popes. civil wars in christianity are actually a big deal in historical terms. >> what's the civil war? >> between people who think that ultimately the church will have to evolve with the sexual revolution and people who think that the church has a message around issues of sexuality that goes back to the new testament and cannot be changed without