many others were appalled. >> the way it was communicated to me was that pat cipollone thought the idea was -- was nutty and at one point confronted eastman basically with the same sentiment. >> what were you prior interactions with eastman? >> he described for me what he thought the ambiguity was in the statute, and he was walking through it at that time. and i said, hold on a second, i want to understand what you're saying. you're saying that you believe the vice president acting as president of the senate can be the sole decision-maker as to in your theory who becomes the next president of the united states? and he said yes. i said are you out of your f-ing mind? >> the vice president decided he could not buy into eastman's theories. >> was it your impression the