whether that lingers in voters' minds i think is a real open question. kaitlan collins: i don't think that they've wounded him in a sense of they've changed a lot of minds. his supporters either don't care or still belelieve what hehe s, which is that the election was stolen and that biden is not legitimately elected president. speaker: i is any of this new revelations from these transcripts enough to loosen donald trump's grip on the republican party you think? speaker: i doubt it. not at his base. his base is going to stay where they are. they don't care about the facts. michael luttig: donald trump and his supporters are a clear and present danger to american democracy. jake tapper: you've been shouting from the rooftops, this is not just about 2020. you're worried about 2024. michael luttig: i am and right now, the former president and his allies and supporters, including in congress and including in the states, represent a clear and present danger to american democracy. that's not because of what they did on january 6.