change the leadership, people are telling me that you two are not doing your job. i hear jeff clark is great. people tell me he could get in there, and do something and it was surprising to me. jake tapper: surprising because the president would have no reason to even know who jeffrey clark was. evan perez: even within the department, very few people had really heard of jeffrey clark. jake tapper: but donald trump had. unbeknownst to rosen and donoghue, pennsylvania republican congressman scott perry had brought clark to the oval office to meet with president trump on december 22nd the day after perry had been amongst republican members of congress who joined trump at the white house to discuss overturning the 2020 election. trump also mentioned jeff clark on a separate call with rosen. jeffrey rosen: he made, what i regarded as a peculiar reference. i don't remember the exact quote, but it was something about did i know jeff clark or did i know who he was or something like that.