mail. >> has there been evidence of fraud with the permanent mail-in voting list? >> there's been evidence of fraud. but there's also just common sense. look, you want to make sure that you have important safeguards. that's why we, you know, have i.d. laws and that's why the vast majority of the public supports i.d. laws. >> how much fraud has there been? you say there was evidence. >> yeah. well, talk to the ag's office. i mean, when you're doing election law, it's important to have safeguards so people have confidence in the outcome. >> i asked arizona's current top election officer, now a democratic candidate for governor. the evidence of fraud here in arizona is -- >> there's a few cases here and there but not the kind of widespread fraud that folks are alleging that would change the outcome of the election. the permanent early voter list was put in place by a republican majority legislature and has enjoyed widespread bipartisan