second, manu, what did he have to say. >> he's not moving off his opposition or aligning himself with a number of conservative member, hard-liners who want a number of demands to strengthen the rank and file, weaken the speakership, things that kevin mccarthy says he already has agreed to but roy making clear to me that he is almost certainly not going to be in the mccarthy camp. >> the people of the table and the rules committee or otherwise -- guarantee that will enforce the rules we just talked about. by the way, everybody in that republican congress meeting this morning said, oh, we like the rules, good job, chip, you guys worked hard for the rules and then at the end they said but if you don't vote for mccarthy, we're going to get rid of the rues. it's a game. that's the game and actually put a quote on the board that said something in the zip code of, hey, for the part of trying to put people on the committee with diverse views and kevin said that but a whole lot of people in the room didn't want that.