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Tell it yourself. Im michael smerconish. The Crisis Manager wrote a whole book called truth to tell on how to handle a public crisis. Davis advice the exact opposite of the approach of the Biden White House to date around the discovery of the classified documents in its possession. They didnt tell it early. They waited nearly two months. They didnt tell it all, in fact, a Statement Released on monday, and the president s words on tuesday, were almost dishonest by omission. And as for tell it yourself, instead of the president telling the full story it has fallen to karine jeanpierre. Saying he takes it seriously doesnt make it so. It seems like a series of unforced errors turning what might be a benign situation into something that will surely be the focus of the Subpoena Power Republicans now possess after winning the house. Here is how we got here. On november 2, Biden Lawyers discovered classified documents in an office the former Vice President used in washington, d. C. , associated with the university of pennsylvania. The National Archives were notified. The Justice Department alerted. But the public was none the wiser. The midterm elections were on november 8. On december 20 another discovery was made, this time at bidens home in wilmington, again, the Justice Department was told but not the public. Monday cbs broke the story of the documents found on november 2, the white house released a statement acknowledging that discovery but not the fact that more documents were found on december 20. On tuesday the president said he was surprised to learn of the discovery at the penn Office Making no mention of what was found in wilmington. As howard baker famously asked about nixon and watergate, what did the president know and when did he know it . It would be curious if he was told about november 2s discovery but not the one on december 20. And if he did know, then why didnt he say so on tuesday or a lot sooner . So far we know that among the documents were a memo from biden to president barack obama as well as two Briefing Memos preparing the then Vice President for phone calls, one with the british prime minister, the other with the president of the european council. Its unclear how much of this material remains sensitive. Friday Judiciary Committee member jim jordan announced an investigation into bidens handling of classified documents, House Oversight Committee Chair james comer is asking the white house for more documents for his committees probe. Comer pointed out that the address of president bidens home where the additional documents were found was the same one listed on Hunter Bidens drivers license in 2018, the same year he was conducting Business Deals with foreign countries. Look, theres no evidence suggesting that bidens conduct rises to the recklessness exhibited by trump at maralago, the volume of material, the return, the response to the National Archives and the Justice Department. Theyre significantly different. But biden is not helping himself. Maybe hes following bad legal advice. Best for him and for the country is that he get out in front of this immediately, put down those lawyer notes and explain to the nation what the documents are, why he had them, what led to their discovery, and why two months elapsed before there was public disclosure. This is what i know for sure. Were going to learn all those things, but best for the president is that it comes from his lips and not the drip, drip, drip of news leaks. Mr. President , tell it early. Tell it all. And tell it yourself. Joining me now is harvey eisenberg, a former federal prosecutor. He worked with robert hur who was appointed to the special counsel looking into documents by Merrick Garland. They prosecuted harold martin, a private nsa contractor found guilty the largest theft of mishandled information in u. S. History in the late 90s through 2016. Martin was convicted in 2019, sentenced to nine years in federal prison. Counselor, thank you for being here. Big picture question, how does the discovery of the biden documents impact any Charging Decision that will be made about trump . Well, they shouldnt impact one or the other. The two cases will rest on their own facts and the decisions will rest on the facts that are uncovered by robert hur and by jack smith and their teams. Okay, but hur and smith will make determinations whether the law was broken and whether it can be proven. Doesnt garland have to consider whether we will put the country through this process . I would imagine that any Attorney General would have to do that in the public interest. These are unprecedented situations, obviously. And the turmoil that the prosecution of either of these two cases, should they proceed, if they, in fact, charge the former president and the current president , are something that must be considered as a matter of Public Policy. I mean, im asking you this question because my Poll Question today at smerconish. Com just gave trump a get out of jail free card. If Merrick Garlands analysis needs to include, and well put the country through this, the fact now youll have half the country say, well, first it was hillary. She didnt get prosecuted. Now its biden. He didnt get prosecuted. But trump, trump theyre going to prosecute . Those are obviously Public Policy and Political Considerations neither of which should influence robert hur. Im sure they will not influence robert hur or jack smith or the investigators assigned to them and other prosecutors in how they make a decision, how they find out what the evidence actually is, what the facts are, and weigh out the pluses and minuses of every defense as every prosecutor does in every case, National Security cases as well. In general terms, in cases like this, what do you need to show for a successful prosecution . Well, as to the assignment to my former boss, robert hur, that goes to the unlawful removal and retention of National Defense information. Thats often lost in the give and take of the discussion. It does not have to mean that Classified Information was implicated. Just as the term is defined National Defense information is implicated. Often, if not almost always, National Defense information is also classified but doesnt have to be. That also implicates the socalled trump investigation. If theres simple negligence on the part of the actor, is that enough . No, its not. You have to show willful intent. Okay. How about if donald trump says, well, i thought i had a right to possess this information . Is that enough if he believed it . The reasonable man test would apply. It then becomes a Jury Question if it was reasonable for him to think that. One thing i should add, michael, if i might, we keep talking about these cases as if its just the principals involved, former President Trump and president biden. They may not be implicated at all. They have staff. Somebody else could have committed the crimes if, in fact, crimes were committed, and im sure the investigators and the prosecutors will be looking at just that. This may wind up in indictments of other people, not the president or former president. And, of course, the current president applying the current standard cannot be prosecuted anyway while he sits as president of the United States. And mr. Eisenberg, i point out the guy you prosecuted who is now midway through his nine years had the equivalent of 500 million pages in his possession. I point that out because im reading a lot and hearing a lot of folks say, well, they lock people up for this stuff, but your case was a pretty extreme case. Just take 30 seconds and tell me about that. Well, it was the largest theft and unlawful retention of Classified Information ever in the countrys history. Hard to imagine that anyone could amass more than mr. Martin did and that which he pled guilty to. He had it over 20 years, as you stated in your opening. He had it for an extended period of time. The most highly classified Information Available to anyone with a clearance stored in his home for all that time. Its hard you cannot compare that case since it is, as i said, unprecedented in scope, compared to anyone else nor anyone elses sentence they may or may not have received. Well, thank you for explaining that and thank you for being here. We appreciate your expertise. Thank you for having me. I just previewed with my guest todays Poll Question at smerconish. Com. Now i think you understand the context in which im asking it. Answer this question today, in fact, right now. Did biden just give trump a get out of jail free card . By his actions, has he created a situation where it makes it impossible for Merrick Garland to prosecute trump . I cant wait to see the results. From social media, this just came in. Hit me with your social media during the course of the program. Why is everything about trump . Cant we talk about possible wrongdoing of biden without asking about trump . No, we really cant because theres such a natural comparison here. I got the memo. I understand and i believe that there are significant differences between these cases. But in the end, youve got two american president s, each the subject of special counsel investigation for their handling of classified material. How do you not say that as well . Make sure youre voting at smerconish. Com on todays Poll Question and well give you the result at the end of the hour. Up ahead, Congressman Matt Gaetz was often center stage during the mustsee live broadcast of the 15round speaker of the house battle. Cspans independent cameras that weve so enjoyed, well, theyve been removed again. So the network and gaetz are lobbying to get them back and matt gaetz is here to discuss. Plus, the world is going wild experimenting with the latest Artificial Intelligence toy known as chatgpt. You can ask it to do anything, research, write a poem, research a legal case. How hard is it to detect . Well find out. Or ill have all the bacon. were talking about. 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Part of the attraction was the unfettered access given to cspan cameras to televise the proceedings and provide its feed to outlets including cnn. Last week i argued here the American People deserve continued unfiltered access to the house chamber, but as soon as Kevin Mccarthy actually took the gavel, back went the camera to its standard fixed position aimed at the lectern. Those rules are set by the party that controls the house except for special events like the election of the House Speaker. Well, tuesday the coceo of cspan sent a letter to mccarthy seeking permission to operate its own independent cameras in the chamber citing the positive public reaction and the Transparency Themes in mccarthys own rules package. Among the congressmen who have voiced their agreement my next guest matt gaetz. Gaetz was caught having private conversations with a frustrated mccarthy, chatting with democrats including ocasiocortez. We even saw as he was almost physically attacked by fellow congressman mike rogers, who later apologized. So much lies ahead for the 118th congress, i want these cameras to show it all, be it the looming debt limit standoff, the debates over investigations with the fbi and hunter biden, the battles over chin and the origins of covid19. Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz joins me now. Thank you for coming back. Without cspan it occurs to me without cspan cameras we would not have seen you nearly attacked by mike rogers. Do you think that incident is an example why some of your colleagues dont want full Camera Access . No, i think the reason people have opposed our effort to democratize the house floor in many debates no one is present and they want to maintain thn t legislatn the floor or in committee, the camera always catches those moments, but there are also moments of great interpersonal warmth and collaboration and the forming of alliances that you might not normally see, whether its myself talking about war powers or Perfejayapal Discussi with floor aoc. I think the American People would be able to humanize congress more if they saw our Human Interactions and not just the theater thats on display during much of the debate. With regard to rogers and the incident, which im showing now in slomo, what went on from your perspective . How of much did you see of him coming at you . Mike rogers and i have worked together for six years on some of the most tense National Security issues on the Armed Services committee, so its not the first time weve been frustrated with one another or worked together. As a matter of fact, it wasnt a remarkably unique incident. There are times the Pressure Cooker is on when we do yell and get heated and thats okay among colleagues. What was different about this it was caught on camera. So mike and i are fine. Weve worked together before. We will again in the future. But if we had more dynamic camera angles, then i think youd see these flareups and then the backslapping afterwards and the agreement and the American People could see alliances form and dissolve in real time rather than just getting a more curated rendition of what happens. As much as i want those cameras, the camera work was a little shoddy because it followed Kevin Mccarthy back into the well of the house and we never saw you. Did you get on your feet . Did you get ready for blows . How close did it come . Oh, no, i think it was overblown. Mike was expressing his frustration with mo and different people had different perspectives in the moment. The argument against the cameras was made on your network by paul ryan. We already have enough performance in congress. We dont want people playing to the cameras. Being able to see the Human Interactions in frustration, in warmth and all of those things far outweighs the risk people will play to the cameras. We have that during debate one way or the other. I think some of the old guard in Congress Opposes this because they want to continue to maintain the fiction that when four or five people are on the Floor Spending Millions of dollars, that that is the action of the whole legislative body when the reality is far different. If we had cameras on the floor my suspicion is we would have far better attendance during debates that impact the lives of our fellow americans. Every saturday i have a Poll Question, as i think you know, during the course of the program. Last saturday we set a record, more than 46,000 people voted on this issue and it could not have been more decisive. Put up the result of that. I think it was 90 of people who said, yeah, 93. 91 want the Camera Access. Today, congressman, the Washington Post lead editorial is on this issue and agrees with your perspective. Quick final question on this. Whats the likelihood that you can sway Kevin Mccarthy . Well, im encouraged theres actually a lot of bipartisan support for this measure. Some democrats have put forth their own proposal, and so i hope if we got 218 people to agree whether they were republicans or democrats that Speaker Mccarthy would be very persuaded by that. And so were working now to build that Bipartisan Coalition to go to the speaker. And it is in line with a lot of the goals the speaker laid out in the rules committee to have more transparency, to have more open votes, to have more open rules. Lets have an open chamber for all the American People to observe. On another matter that pertains to video, you apparently were able to earn a concession from him that all of the Security Video from capitol hill on january 6 is going to enter the Public Domain. First of all, correct me if im wrong, i believe that was something you were able to get him to agree to. Secondly, what is it you want to see . What do you expect to see in that video . I think you likely will see a lot of exculpatory evidence where people may have been in some sort of technical violation of federal criminal law but never intended to harm anyone and never intended to breach any type of security barrier. A lot of those barriers may have been taken down. Im a believer tra hat transpary answers question. If theres higher criminal a acuity for some. Whistleblower interviews weve done there were federal assets and agents that were on the ground that day to be able to observe their conduct, their potential coordination with one another would be of great interest to many of us on the Judiciary Committee and many people throughout the country. So prosecutors have said, and im thinking in the context of the case of Eric Torrence from tennessee, it shouldnt be released because its going to jeopardize security, that too much will enter the Public Domain about the nooks and crannies. My words, not theirs, of the capitol. Are you worried youre going to jeopardize the security of yourself and your colleagues if all of this video comes into the public space . No. Almost every inch of the capitol is subject to video surveillance. If you dont believe that, go into any casino in america and you see the extent to which the zooms and pans and tilts inform on how people see these things. So if the security of members of congress is dependent on shielding the perspectives of these cameras, its not a good regime. I think thats a red herring and an argument made by the department of justice because they dont want to expose the extent to which there might have been federal assets or agents enhancing criminal acuity. We dont know that. Thats why we want to see the footage. I think well be safe and sound even following the release of that information. Treasury secretary janet yellen said that on, i think thursday, were going to hit the Debt Ceiling Limit of 31 trillion. Are we headed for a standoff where you and your colleagues are demanding of cuts including social security, m Medicare Medicaid . We did include in our negotiations a reversion to 2022 Spending Levels that would require changing levels in the mandatory spending which is driven by Medicare Medicaid, social security. I think work requirements are something we could get a lot of bipartisan agreement on particularly in states that had Medicaid Expansion under obamacare. Remember, just as i teamed up with democrats for the floor action last week, you also may see some republicans in the middle team up with democrats to discharge a clean debt limit. Theres something called a Discharge Petition where you get 218 signatures on something, it comes right to the floor, so some of my conservative colleagues and i may be disappointed if you see moderate republicans working with democrats to get a clean vote on the debt limit, we would probably like to use that as an opportunity to analyze some of the mandatory spending thats given us a 32 trillion debt. You know that economists say if we get close to default, then whats going to happen . Interest rates are going to rise. People will feel it in their mortgages. In their auto loans, in their credit card bills. Thats why we need to start now. We should not engage in brinksmanship. Were already having the discussions with jodi arrington, the new chairman of the budget committee, how to create a Budget Resolution to inform on policy choices. We have an obligation as the republicans in the majority to sell to the American People work requirements or other Spending Reductions to get buyin on that. I dont believe we should push this to the very end. I think we need to be laying out a plan now to get our fiscal house in order. As you know, michael, with Interest Rates rising, that changes the Debt Service Obligations of the country and its one of the major drivers of our spending now, servicing that debt. So we have to be able to get it under control. And the math is undeniable that as more baby boomers continue to utilize the programs to drive mandatory spending, we are going to have that take a greater and greater share of the federal budget. I share your concern about the level of spending. By the way, that debt went up 40 on Donald Trumps watch. That needs to be called out as well. Its just at what stage of the process should we attack this issue . Probably before the money has been committed. I have to get to one other thing with you. Representative santos. You were playing the role of Talk Show Host this week, i guess, in lieu of bannon. You asked him about the 700,000 he gave his campaign or donated or loaned his campaign. He didnt give you an answer. Should he be able to get away with that level of nondisclosure . What is his future . George santos represents over 700,000 people in new york, and whether people like that or not, those people deserve to have members of congress collaborating with the person who serves them, whether thats on Financial Issues or on Public Safety issues. So George Santos will have to go through the congressional ethics process. I dont want to prejudge the process, but i think he deserves the chance to at least make his case. There are requirements members of congress have to meet when it comes to the money that they donate to their own campaigns. I had to publicly disclose the Real Property i sold to contribute to my own campaign when i was first elected in 2016, and well see how that process bears out. But until then, i dont think George Santos should be subject to shunning because the americans he serves deserve representing and they have real challenges, and we ought to Work Together to solve their challenges and meet their needs. I watched i listened and i watched and i get your point theres embellishment by those who run for office, particularly the congress, but in this guys case, more on that bio, more on that cv was unfounded than was founded and those voters went to the polls because the media didnt shine an appropriate spotlight on it nor did his opponent without knowing for whom they were voting. Isnt that a fair statement . You know whats crazy to me that happened in new york of all places. This wasnt rural mississippi. It was the center of the media, and i think there actually were some local outlets that reported on the concerns about santos as a candidate. One week late. That was in the public sphere. Its up to the political process to resolve those things. He is a congressman. He was seated. And so im going to treat him as a colleague and hes going to have to endure the process that goes through managing the conduct of members. My hunch is that if your margin in the house were not so thin that you and or Kevin Mccarthy would have a different opinion on that issue. You know im going to do social media. Stick around for this because to the extent its the why is matt gaetz on this program, ill let you respond to it instead of me. Katherine, put up on the screen what we have from the world of social media. How does it help the American People to have Congress People performing for the cameras . Theyre already accomplish nothing and this will only get worse as they mug for publicity. What do you want to say to david who submitted that . We mug for publicity plenty. Dont you think the American People ought to see when the actual sausage is being made . The conversations we have on the floor result in votes and bills and cosponsorships. And i think more transparency is better. Oftentimes on the floor youre lobbying for the legislation or the appropriations that you care about, and people then will be able to latch what they observe with the outcomes and make better judgments on the people there to represent them. Nothing wrong with that. Any more that i have time for or do i have to move on . Tell me quickly. Okay. Congressman, thanks for coming back. I do appreciate it. Thank you, michael. Coming up well, im just going to tell you whats coming up because i dont have a teleprompter. I want to get into chatgpt, and i also want to talk about a lawsuit that was filed by the Seattle Public Schools. This is really an interesting story where theyre trying to hold accountable big tech for the Mental Health crisis playing itself out among american youth. Both of those social media, more of your voting at smerconish. Com. Did biden give trump a get out of jail free card when we come back. Nsitive skin, too. And its natural. Treat it that way with aveeno® daily moisture. Formulated with nourishing, prebiotitic oat. Its clininically proven to moisturize dry skin for 24 hours. Aveeno® voltaren. The joy of movement. Just look around. This digital age were living in, its pretty unbelievable. Problem is, not everyones fully living in it. Nobody should have to take a class or fill out a medical form on public wifi with a screen the size of your hand. Home internet shouldnt be a luxury. Everyone should have it and now a lot more people can. So lets go. The digital age is waiting. Because of the overwhelming popularity of a new ai program called chatgpt, educators are now wrestling with how to respond to students with new ways to harness Artificial Intelligence in doing their work. There are three reasons why the use of this technology should be permitted in a school setting. Number one, personalized instruction. Ai can help to personalize the Learning Experience for students. Aipowered systems can analyze Student Performance Data and provide tailored instruction and feedback that can help students learn more effectively and achieve better outcomes. The second reason, accessibility. Ai can help to improve the accessibility of education for students with disabilities. Assistive technology such as text to speech and Speech Recognition can help students can visual or auditory impairments to better access, engage with education materials. And a third reason, job readiness. As ai becomes increasingly important in todays job market, learning about ai can help students to develop skills that will be in high demand in the future. For example, learning to code and work with ai systems, that can help students to develop problem solving skills, Data Analysis, and Critical Thinking skills which are valuable in so many different fields. Okay. Timeout. What you just heard may sound like one of my commentaries. But i didnt write it, nor did any other human. It was written by the latest version of Artificial Intelligence, this chat bot called chatgpt. I simply typed into my laptop give me three paragraphs on why students should be permitted to use Artificial Intelligence in school and you heard the outcome. There it is. I typed it last night. Its Computer Technology designed to stimulate conversation the gpt was released on November 30th by the Artificial Intelligence lab known as open ai and within a week the Company Estimated it already had more than a million users. Its free for now but in the future there will be a version that costs money. The way it works is by integrating massive amounts of data, immense computing power, and novel processing techniques. You ask it to do a function and it performs lightning fast answering a question, playing a game, writing a computer program, composing a poem, a speech, a song or a commentary for cnn. And unlike most chat bots while youre using it, it remembers your conversation. Well, you can imagine all sorts of uses for it including, of course, cheating in school. Los angeles, seattle, baltimore, new York City Schools have already restricted access to chatgpt. A columnist for Bloomberg Businessweek where he wrote the piece, what are they good for . Nothing. The author of the book the contrarian. Its pretty stunning, isnt it, max, that i can make that cogent argument, maybe a little more stilted, i hope, than i would normally be on cnn, but if i hadnt told the audience, i dont think the audience would have recognized it. Its pretty convincing. I do think if we spent time going back through it we would see little problems with that argument and i think just broadly speaking the School Districts that are responding to this with skepticism are making a reasonable decision. I mean, this, as i wrote in my piece, this is not good for a lot of sort of business cases. It is incredibly good if you want to, say, cheat on your schoolwork or if youre a scammer or, say, a russian disinformation farm or whatever. Its good for people trying to generate huge amounts of text that doesnt have to be especially convincing very quickly. Right. As someone said whom you cited, superb bsing. Thats what it allows to you do. Yeah, and the other thing about this, and really the reason why people are banning it, why people are treating it skeptically not just in schools but were seeing these kind of knowledge communities as well as academic groups because it makes stuff up. Ai experts call this hallucination, a funny term, but essentially the ai will just invent things, names, places, points in history, and just state it with supreme conviction which can be really funny. It can get Math Problems wrong. And because its so convincing and because it moves so quickly, it can be pretty hard for people to separate the truth from the falsehood. Max, as you said, i want to put on the Screen A Quote from Scott Rosenberg who wrote this at axios to a point you made. The applications of this extend far beyond just schools. Education, it says, is where chatgpts disruptions will land first but any discipline or business built on foundations of text is in the blast radius. Think law, think entertainment, think science, history, media. What other application, max, do you think this could impact . Well, so the main investor in open ai is microsoft. I should say this is like the hottest company in Silicon Valley right now and the Company Behind this is microsoft. And i think what they want to do is put it in Microsoft Word essentially. This isnt how 3,000, this isnt going to take over the world. It might be a feature that could go in your word processor, you have to write a thank you letter, and it could write some place holder text that you could then punch up later or even imagine taking that cnn monologue that you did which wasnt very good but using that kind of as a Starting Point perhaps. But i think thats what this is going to be, a Starting Point, a better word processor. Max, thank you for that. I appreciate your expertise. 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Com theres always a fresh deal on the subway app. Like this one 50 off . that deals so good we dont even need an eighttime allstar to tell you about it. Wait what . Get it before its gone on the subway app is big tech to blame for americas youth Mental Health crisis . The Seattle Public School district filed a 92page lawsuit against the Parent Companies of tiktok, instagram, facebook, youtube and snapchat. The suit alleges the social media giants, quote, intentionally contributed to the youth Mental Health crisis in the United States and has impeded the ability of its schools to, quote, fulfill their educational mission. The School District is the largest in the state of washington. They have nearly 50,000 students. Theyre seeking unspecified monetary damages. And the lawsuit cites a lot of data. From 2009 to 2019 the rate of High School Students who reported persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness increased by 40 to one out of every three kids. Kids seriously attempted suicide increased by 36 . The share creating a suicide plan increased by 44 . From 2007 to 2019, suicide rates among youth aged 10 to 24 in the United States increased by 57 . By 2018 suicide, the second leading cause of death for youth ages 10 to 24 from 2007 to 2016, Emergency Room Visits rose 117 for anxiety disorders, 44 for mood disorders, 40 for attention disorders. Several citations in this lawsuit are of Data Analysis by my next guest, jean twangy, author of the influential book igen. The global head of safety for meta which owns facebook and instagram released this statement, quote, we want teens to be safe online. We automatically set teens accounts to private when they join instagram and send notifications encouraging them to take regular breaks. We dont allow content that promotes suicide, selfharm or eating disorders. A spokesperson for goggle which owns youtube responded as follows. Weve invested heavily in creating safe experiences for children. We provide parents with the ability to set reminders, limit screen time and block specific types of content on unsupervised devices. Joining me now is a professor of psychology at San Diego State university, the author of the book that i mentioned. Her latest book will come out in april and it will be called generations. Doctor, this is really important. The data that i cited that comes from the lawsuit speaks of this period from the mid2000s to about 2020 as a comparison. Why is that time line so significant . Well, you know, there is a lot attention to this adolescent Mental Health crisis, but so much of it focuses, oh, its because of the pandemic. This did not start with the pandemic. It started more than ten years ago around 2011 or 2012 which happens to be right at the time snapchat was founded, facebook bought instagram, and social media moved from being fairly optional among teens to virtually mandatory and extremely popular. So there can be no dispute as to the fact that the data says weve got this Mental Health crisis, that it happened at a time of the explosion of the uses of this technology. When your book first came out, you would often speak to me about correlation and not causation. Where are you today . We have a lot more Experimental Evidence now suggesting its not just correlation, that it is causation. So my colleague john hyde and i have a google doc with all of the evidence in this area, and it includes studies that can show causation, and the majority of those studies show that, say, cutting back on social media can lead to better Mental Health, and theres other studies showing that you increase your use of social media, then depression often follows. So what should the tech giants who are on the Receiving End of this litigation from the Seattle Public Schools, what is it they ought to be doing . Oh, there are so many other things that they could be doing. As just one, they could enforce their own age minimums. Youre supposed to be 13 to have a social media account. Thats not enforced. You dont have to show an i. D. You dont even need parental permission. You can just check a box or lie about your birthday and, boom, you have an instagram or tiktok account. So thats a place to start because we have 8, 9, 10yearold kids on these platforms that were not designed for children. They werent even designed for teens. They were designed for adults. And because of Brain Development and anybody who has kids knows this, theres a reason why we dont let 8yearolds drive. Theres a reason why you have to be 18 or 21 to buy cigarettes. Yet social media is almost completely unregulated. So parental permission would be another great step. Not being able to use social media during the nighttime hours would be another. We also have an epidemic of Sleep Deprivation among teens which very well might be one of the reasons why we have a Mental Health crisis because not sleeping enough is very strongly linked to depression, suicidal thoughts, selfharm, all of these issues were seeing. Can i say that i think that 92page complaint, albeit very dense, publicly available. You can pull the pdf. Ill put it if my social media, as a matter of fact, again, is worthy of every parents attention. Dr. Twenge, i look forward to the release of your next book in best and worst Social Media Reooks to todays program and the final result. Poll question. In the context of the discovery of the biden documents, did the current president just give the former president a get out of jail free card . Go to smerconish. Com and cast a ballot. It not only cleans, it hydrates my skikin. As a dermatologist, i want whatss best for our skin. With 1 4 moisturizing cream, dove is the 1 Bar Dermatologiststs use at home. 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