should perspective adoptive parents be required to pledge a willingness to be affirming of a child who may later identify as lbgtqia? >> i think the answer is no one's first amendment rights are subjected to a popularity contest. the supreme court has made very clear that it is odious to our constitution to say because of your religious beliefs, you don't get to participate in public life. that's exactly what happened here. massachusetts acknowledged they were a loving couple, that they had many strengths as foster parents. that they would be particularly good with children who have behavioral health needs. nevertheless, because of their beliefs, they were excluded. that's unconstitutional. and it's a tragedy given the crisis in massachusetts. there are children in hospitals, children in office buildings, and they wanted to open their home. but to massachusetts that was unacceptable. >> what if we remove -- i know very important to your case is the religious aspect of it, and i appreciate that.