do it? >> well, michael, they're gonna do it through their witnesses. they're going to do it through michael cohen. they're gonna do it through perhaps stormy daniels. they're going to argue donald trump's intent here was to interfere, of course, with the campaign to hide the information, the allegation about stormy daniels affair from the public. but i think donald trump's defense, i do not actually agree that he needs to take the stand. and in order to make that defense, i think he can do it. as you said, through the prosecution witnesses and the closest example we have to this is the john edwards trial back in 2012, he made a similar defense, ultimately successfully where he said his team argued the reason for the payments was to protect against personal humiliation john edwards never took the stand. they managed to do that through the prosecution's own witnesses, by the way, the witnesses, michael cohen doesn't have to say donald trump wanted to protect his family. he won't say that. but as long as they establish that donald trump had a wife and children and any normal human being would be embarrassed by this disclosure that's enough for the defendant to make that argument they've got they've