ex-con paopulation. >> you were on this when you wrote a book in 2016, to many, they're observing this as a function of the pandemic. obviously, your book was prescient, now, you're getting your 15 minutes' of fame. i don't mean me, everybody is rediscovering the book. what aeffect has the pandemic had? >> the big change for pandemic is the flight of work for people 50 and up for men and women. that was the latest in the increase in older workers. that's been crushed by the pandemic. some of that is pandemic shyness. and american savings. american savings are up $2.2 trillion since the beginning of the pandemic. i think we'll see more when the