understand, but it occurs to me from a distance, larry, that youngkin has created the playbook. even if he loses in a tight race, he's created a playbook for how you appeal to the trump base but still maintain a distance from the former president. my view is that trump wants to be close enough to lay claim for the victory if it happens. but far enough away to say well, wasn't me, because youngkin never allowed me to come into virginia. talk to me about the trump factor. >> sure. it worries me, michael, that you do understand how trump's mind works. what you just said is exactly right. he comes in, not physically, but he comes in to make, i think the fifth or sixth endorsement of glenn youngkin, the day before the election. so if he wins he can say, look at the difference i made, they elected a trump republican. and if youngkin loses, he's going to say did you see how youngkin avoided me?