democrats are focussed on defeating the president, and at least when it's trump versus a democrat, we get almost identical numbers. biden does one point better than trump does, but the other are at one or in bernie sanders' case, two points down. >> to the uninitiated, why make a big deal other wisconsin, my response will be tell me who wins wisconsin in 2020, and i will tell you likely that's who gets the presidency of the united states. you get the final word. >> that's the point. three of the last have been decided by less thran -- if you gave clinton michigan and pennsylvania, but trump still won wisconsin, trump still won the electoral college. >> nicely done. thank you, dr. franklin. >> thank you. make sure you're going to the website and answering this week's survey question.