just plain will to challenge the status quo. >> he appeared with tim russert, i want you to watch the exchange and i'll ask you a question about it. >> i'm pro life. i hate the idea of abortion. i hate it. still, i just believe in choice. and again, it may be a little bit of a new york background because there is some different attitude in different parts of the country. i was raised in new york grew up and worked and everything else in new york city. i am strongly pro choice and yet i hate the concept of abortion. >> you would not ban it? >> no. >> or ban partial birth abortions? >> no. i am pro choice in every respect as far as it goes. i just hate it. >> he was pretty clear he was pro choice now he says he's pro life. do you believe him? >> he would not be the first to