for working for donald trump. and that is this kind of behavior is normal. top aides get desensitized. >> and laura cooper is walking in now. laura cooper, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia and ukraine and asia. >> and when they got -- >> and there is david hale, the undersecretary of state for political affairs. go ahead. >> cooper testified whenever they got the surprising call that the aid was being withheld that on that call the line from the white house was this was coming from the president himself. and so she's someone who is going to be able to testify the view from the department of defense, how involved was the president, what was being communicated to them about why this aid was being frozen? >> that is another interesting thing about the testimony and may get into that here, she testified the white house is saying this is all about -- about anti-corruption and she testified that during this period it was held july, august