microphone announcing this but that is not the what the president wanted. if they were, they would have done it through the official channels. they wanted an investigation announced publicly because of the bonanza that would bring for the president's campaign. and i think that is why it is a very big deal that -- and i think we should remember this, that they wanted a public announcement of an investigation. they didn't care how it turned out or if the ukrainians actually did it. what they wanted was the public announcement. because that, getting that into the mainstream and the media and the coverage of the 2020 campaign, is what the president needed. >> and that is an important point because sondland kept saying it was all for the statement. they wanted a statement from the ukrainian leadership about the investigation and evan is 100% right, i don't think if there was an investigation. >> and that is what gordon sondland said. nobody followed up with what they wanted the investigation part to show if it was completed but they just wanted president