>> did the president ever tell preconditions for anything? >> no. >> so the president never told you about any preconditions for the aid to be released? >> no. >> the president never told you about any preconditions for a white house meeting? >> personally, no. >> what do you think? >> so that is something that you're seeing republicans talk about today. is the conversations that he had with the president and exactly what it was that the president said. because they're saying that essentially if the president didn't say this is what i want you to tell them, these are the preconditions for them to get this aid, this meeting, this phone call, then they say it does prove the president that it exonerates him but ignoring what he's talking about, this pressure campaign that he said was clear to the ukrainians that he brought up with people like the vice president and he claims which pence has denied. >> and it is almost impossible for the white house to take that position when they are themselves preventing the individuals who would be in a position to give that direct link, that precise information, people like mick mulvaney,