associates have now been criminally indicted and he had no security clearances at all. listen to this. >> president trump directed us to, quote, talk with rudy. the president directed us to do so. when the president says talk to my personal lawyer, mr. giuliani, we followed his direction. >> i worked with mr. rudy giuliani on ukraine matters at the express direction of the president of the united states. so we followed the president's orders. i followed the directions of the president. >> you were attorney at the national security agency, the top secret u.s. intelligence agency. is it appropriate that someone with no security clearances is in charge of u.s./ukraine relations. >> the president of the united states is allowed to use private citizens in personal capacity but that said there is no question this is highly inappropriate and the significant testimony about giuliani was to the extent he