october 3rd, he was asked was there any discussion, this is in the july 10th meeting prior to the phone call about any investigations, particularly giuliani's activities in ukraine, et cetera, he said no definitively in his opening statement today he to correct ala gordon sondland to say i remember the meeting was essentially over when ambassador sondland made a general comment about investigations and he said all of us thought that it was n inappropriate and that is the universal true of all of the witnesses, whether more frently to the democrats or the republicans and that is a problem. >> but the oath thi-- the other did grow oun comfortable with rudy giuliani's role and introduced him to a top aide to the president by hoped by doing so that would convince giuliani that this government isn't corrupt and not out to get the president but giuliani used that to push the top aide to the