speeches and yell and holler about stuff and so the weakness of the argument was maybe more powerful with him as a lawyer, he didn't have much to work with. >> republicans, preet, they point out the fact that money for ukraine was eventually released without the ukrainians giving in and investigating on behalf of president trump. in your view, does that change the calculation on whether this rises to impeachable conduct? >> i mean, if you use the analogy for criminal law and this is not a criminal trial, but if you use the analogy in case after case after case, people who formed an intent for a crime, otherwise known as conspiracy gets charged with a crime and terrorist after terrorist who failed or who decide to rob a bank, but were caught or changed their mind at the last minute because the getaway driver wasn't available or something like that, those cases matter. those cases count and it's not an excuse that at the end of the day after they were caught and after the whistle-blower made a complaint and congress was