water for the president than being a leader. people think of that as sort of you're just a hanger on. you're not a leader. you're not someone worthy of being taken seriously. >> let's call it a spectacle. what does it tell us about future of the house judiciary committee's impeachment proceedings? >> this was the rockiest start to begin on. it did not give anyone the confidences they had this under their belt. the issue here for me is for many people in america today looking at this, had this come around the same time that the mueller report dropped, had it come prior to that four page summation letter by bill barr that painted the narrative that's been used at this point in time, they may have gained more traction. now you have more than one opportunity already testified. you now have barr coming out to say the president of the yietun states back against the wall and it wasn't obstructive conduct