thing. but they also had a personality clash. and a clash about how they approached the jobs, about process and so forth. so that is why there was no -- there were no tears being shed there by the secretary of state pompeo. but i also thought it was telling that both him and steve mnuchin, who has known president trump for a very long time, had to laugh. nervous last -- laughter but telling laugher about that nobody is surprised by the notion that despite how much this is building up, in the end made an impulsive decision to fire john bolton. >> very quickly. does this mean, susan, that mike pompeo, the secretary of state, has even greater power now because he clashed often with bolton. >> i think it does show that mike pompeo is one of the most influential figures in the trump administration. he has staying power. people are the flavor of the month with trump. mike pompeo has really persisted