people that claim asylum in the country? most of the interviews, wolf, happen on the telephone. they don't even necessarily happen in person. in lebanon, trying to get this done, we have a team that comes in and does quick interviews. i think we're deeply concerned that if you're going to bring in people to the united states they have to be vetted. i don't think that's an unreasonable ask. i don't. >> ben rhodes the president's deputy national security adviser. thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. >> merry christmas to you and your family as well. >> thank you. does the visa system provide terror ifs with dangerous loopholes that can exploit? our experts coming up. discover card. hooh, you're real??