the turkmin before the jet was brought down. i think this is one of the central motives for why turkey responded to aggressively. there's another component worth mentioning. yesterday it wasn't just a russian su-24 that got shot down. the search and rescue helicopter that the russians had sent to look for their pilots crash landed and then was sat on a helipad and was blown up with an anti-tank missile. and the rebel group responsible for that is called the first coastal division. guess what, the first coastal division is backed by turkish intelligence and the cia and the anti-tank missail they got came from the united states. so this has become -- it's beyond just a turkish-russian, you know, sort of skirmish or confrontati confrontation. nato has been drawn into it. julia's quite right. they're throwing cold water on it so it doesn't escalate. behind putin's rhetoric he said turkey is an accomplice of terrorists, this is a stab in the back. he's not just talking about turkey. he's talking about the west,