pitch counts are at historic lows. these injuries are set in motion in the developing elbow. so this is something where the groundwork is set by micro tears 18 ligament when the elbow is developing. during puberty, when the arm is growing. what we're seeing at the major league level is something that can be preventsed at the major league level. it has to be prevented in the developing pitcher. >> you say before they even get to the big leagues they show up as good as they may be they show up perhaps with these micro tears or injuries. >> right. they are pitching less than ever at the major league -- there's only so much less they could possibly pitch at the major league level but their lifetime pitch countses are higher than ever. there are youth pitchers playing for multiple teams, the teams that aren't coordinating between one another. so instead of having 80 pitches on five days rest, you have 80 pitches on one or two days rest. there are these showcases where youth pitchers are made to show up if they want to be scouted by