right? so in that regard, their roles aligned. i do want to read something from marie yavonovitch. this is one of the excerpts. the question was, and from your staff members or your own conversations, what did you come to learn about mr. giuliani's interest in ukraine? she responds, that basically there had been a number of meetings between mr. lasenko and mayor giuliani and they were looking -- i should say mr. lasenko was looking to hurt me in the u.s. koi i couldn't imagine what that was but now i see. the question was, what do you see now? she answered, well, i'm no longer in ukraine. lasenko was the attorney general. >> the complaints by not only the united states and europeans and groups inside ukraine was that essentially he was corrupt, that he was sometimes targeting people, bringing cases against