he takes that gamble. it pays off for him and he now understands there will not be a thing that i can imagine where mike pence says you know what? i'm going to have to disagree with the president on that. i just -- i cannot -- >> not publicly. >> not publicly, because he views his fate politically as so wedded. he's not wrong. so wedded to donald trump that there will never be even a scintilla of space between the two of them publicly. >> and that ship set sail so long ago. >> it did. >> just the backdrop of what's happening here, dana, is vice president pence is in arizona taking these questions, i don't know the answer to this, whether this was previously scheduled. just a press avail he would be doing. seemed it was because there are questions on the topic of hispanic voters and hispanic heritage month he was referencing and clearly trying to draw attention to, but he is there as this "washington post" story has come out about the