us, we have charlie dent and luis gutierrez. clearly, congressman dent, republicans don't know how to handle this if they're claiming they haven't read these documents. what is their thought process right now as they're trying to figure out exactly what to say and where to be on this? >> clearly they're buying time because this is a very easy read, as was just stated. very easy read. i read both of these, it didn't take long. once you read these things, and they're written in plain english, this is absolutely stunning. in my view, as a former chairman of the house ethics committee, i can tell you if somebody had presented this information to our committee that a member was collaborating with a foreign government to investigate his or her opponent with official government resources, that would have triggered an investigation immediately and probably a referral at some point to the department of justice. this is eye-popping full stop. without even getting into the quid pro quo aspect of this.