first goal is here are the values we stated we are trying to implement and then secondary, we will take the audience who embraces those values. that doesn't mean our values are democratic and not republican, but ou it's small d democratic and not authoritarian or something like that. i think if we get clear on values, of course the media is against authoritarian people like trump. the media cannot exist in a functional way without having -- you know, without having a free press, which dictators usually oppose. so i think we should be honest about some of the core values we have and stop trying to pretend we don't have any values because then readers don't trust us on the left or the right. of course we have values and we should just honest about them. >> charlotte, what about you? >> i agree with a lot of what perry says. i also think that the right-wing media apparatus is almost specifically designed to present