bak bakon jr. and charlotte, who interviewed tucker carlson. charlotte, it is very, very rare for tucker carlson talking on a reporter from "time" magazine so i want to know what you learned from him. you call it tuckerism. everyone has heard of trumpism, but what is different, what is tuckerism? >> it's more of a posture or an attitude than a real ideology. i mean trumpism is really defined by this blunt force that trump brought into the political system. tuckerism is a little bit more nimble. it's a little bit more about sort of tajjdodging -- walking t up to a conspiracy theory, putting your toe in the water, jumping back when you're challenged and wrapping yourself in the mantle of free speech, which is something that tucker does often.