going into to get to this metaverse level. i think you'll be seeing a lot of that. obviously in transportation, all these electric vehicles, all these autonomous vehicles, these values have gone up like crazy. you're not going to see that at ces. it's still a software app game right now and services. there's really interesting stuff coming along for sure. >> right. it takes time. in the entertainment space, how do you view the streaming wars, or do you even call them streaming wars? how do you view what's going on with netflix and everyone trying to tackle netflix? >> well, netflix has had like nine laps around the track before entertainment companies have caught up. they certainly are trying to catch up. the numbers went up quickly during the pandemic. now disney and other places are sort of waffling because what people do, they churn and return. you sign up for something, watch it and then cut it off. i think everyone is going to have to offer stream services. that's the way people want to