advertiser's pressure. we are committed to running stories -- the real story and the story behind the story, precisely that's what at trarks our audience. that's what people come to us for. the advertisers who come to us they come from that audience. the editorial independence of the company. it's not just the principle, it's the core of our mission core of the company. >> you say that but your two top editors resigned. i asked them to come on the program and they declined. they resigned because of you meddling with the newsroom. >> both max read and tommy craggs are men of considerable principle. i don't think it was a story worth resigning over. i don't think it was -- >> are you saying they were too extreme about this? >> i have valued their passion and commitment to independent journalism. it has to go hand in hand with