are destructive to the environment, they have to be balanced because of all the money they bring into the political equation, you have a difficult road to hoe. and i think that's the road he's trying to hoe and i think that's tough. >> can i ask you one wonky last question? >> wonky? >> since we're both into journalism? i wonder what you think of the media's coverage of climate change. is it the kind of topic where you think they've failed in general to educate the public? >> i do. i think it's now finally dawning on people that we're -- it is an issue because it's now in our backyard. it's not something that's out there or tomorrow. it's here. it's now. and it's happening. it's affecting water. look at the weather patterns. they're so drastic. it's pretty -- up to be -- you have to be really the most narrow-minded perp eed person world to still deny climate change. but it's here and it's already showing evidence of destruction. the real question is, is it too late? and because i like to be