should come together to identify and eliminate those disparities. that's an honest conversation based on evidence and based on notions of racial inequality. >> -- whether it requires actively addressing racial wrongs to address them in the future. but that kind of rhetoric from him doesn't seem to be part of that conversation. i do wonder though, i mean, this is happening on the campaign trail, right. he is one of several candidates of color in the republican race. but he's doing really well and is making these arguments at a particular moment for him in this race. why do you -- do you think this is a part of why he is doing so well right now?