in the rear. and >> one of the interesting things, gene, is that meadows denied some very specific sheriff t. k. waters parts of the allegations against him in the indictment that he was a part of a meeting in which he and trump asked seniors off with a drop the plan for what happened on january 6th. he said he does not remember that meeting happening, or does not recall. that is a very specific denial, it seems to me, given that i would assume the prosecutors would have some evidence. >> absolutely. when i tried my prosecutors cases as a prosecutor's, one of the things that used to love is i do not recall when you have evidence they cannot possibly have forgotten what happened. here is the other thing that came out of that hearing, it was very subtle, the