trump's defense will be. >> yeah, and i know that you said back in august of 2020 that you had concerns about the way trump was talking about the election, you know, saying that the only way he could lose if it was rigged. but what you just said there is important, you are talking about the people who were around trump and what they were telling them. you know, we have talked about this team normal versus team crazy, do you expect that sydney powell, rudy giuliani, the jordan he's friends, that those attorneys should be indicted in this case? >> well they could well be, i mean, i think the key witnesses here could be people like rudy giuliani or mark meadows, to whom trump may really have said something that is very hard for him to dodge. really showing that he lost, i