were telling him it had been stolen. so i think the intercept issue is difficult. i think that's where the focus will be. >> you said in august that trump said the only way he could lose was if it was rigged. you were talking about the people who were around trump. we've talked about team normal versus team crazy. do you expect sydney powell, the ungentleman eastmans, they -- the john eastmans, they should be indicted? >> i think the key witnesses could be people like rudy giuliani or marshall meld owes to whom trump may have said something that is very hard for him to dodge. really showing that he lost. he said a lot of things in the nature of, how could i lose to that fill in the blank bozo joe biden.